Each week on the Bart Ehrman Blog Podcast, John Mueller will read two posts from the Bart Ehrman Blog – the first will be a post from the not too distant past, and the second will be from the blog archives (one published roughly the same calendar week but from years 2012 to 2016). -James was no biological brother of Jesus. I would love that. Paul’s religion included a promise that all of his followers, upon the imminent arrival of Jesus and their resurrection, would be adopted as sons of God. Thank you for taking the time to clarify this. A look a spiritual formation resources with better scientific backing. In your book J:APNM, you write, “[I]t seems improbable that Jesus’ corpse was simply left hanging on the cross” (225). -You seem to quote Acts. William Lane Craig and Bart D. Ehrman Debate the Question "Is There Historical Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus?" Doesn’t it depend on how many people believe the idea? Midwestern is a Southern Baptist institution. I had committed to a public debate with the prominent agnostic New Testament scholar Bart Ehrman. At least I don’t think any of the Pauline scholars I know (I know a lot) think it is. Bart Ehrman is professor of religious studies at University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. It is as if he were trying to say that he saw not only the human Jesus, but also his majesty, that he saw his glory, that Jesus was not only Jesus, but the Lord Jesus Christ. In Gal. Why would anyone say somethhing like, so and so “even admits” something when that something is something that everyone thinks? He calls into question the authority of the New Testament as scribal changes over time have changed the documents. That isn’t good scholarship, and how has he ‘won’ his arguments? Very enjoyable. But the fact is, we do see the same stories told in many cultures, and the similarities can’t all be based on cross-cultural pollination. Out of the 13 letters of Paul found in the New Testament, skeptical critics like Bart Ehrman will only grant that 7 of them are genuine. to establish Paul’s usage of archon independent of the passage about Christ having been crucified by the rulers (archons) of this age. Have something to add about this? Held at College of the Holy Cross, Worcester, Massachusetts on March 28, 2006. Hence, those who debate Christians frequently appeal to Ehrman's works. Murdock. Bart, have you read “Creating Christ” if so what are your views? I’ve been blessed by my friendships with debate opponents, despite strong disagreements. But that NEVER means that the verse itself is an interpolation. If one takes the mythicist viewpoint, then where did those Aramaic sayings come from? Pure speculation, based on wishful thinking I’m afraid! by Neil Godfrey . Joseph of Arimathea is in multiple Gospels, that therefore he must have existed. What do you think is the correct understanding of the verse? “His argument is not with theism–nobody can ‘win’ the argument over whether or not there’s a God.”. While I disagree with that position it does seem like it could possibly make sense in some way if you follow that logic. Each week on the Bart Ehrman Blog Podcast, John Mueller will read two posts from the Bart Ehrman Blog – the first will be a post from the not too distant past, and the second will be from the blog archives (one published roughly the same calendar week but from years 2012 to 2016). Bart Denton Ehrman is an American New Testament scholar focusing on textual criticism of the New Testament, the historical Jesus, and the origins and development of early … Traditional Judaism then (and now) does not like translations very much, though it was more accepting of Aramaic (such as the Onkelos) than of Greek (ie, the LXX). Approximately 1,500 people attended the event live, and an estimated 70-80 thousand people viewed the debate on-line or via television on the Gospel Broadcasting Network. April 5, 2014. And yet, there I was, committed to debating Bart Ehrman. (2/2) Thanks in advance, I appreciate your blog and work very much, even as a Christian myself! I don’t think we know what would have happened at Jesus’ trial before Pilate. This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License. A living man who had been crucified, something nobody ever even attempted to deny until the 18th century. They don’t want an improved understanding. I wanted every answer to be sound, succinct, and accessible to our audience. Luke’s Version. I think they are somewhat less credible, yes, since fundamentalists usually disagree principally on the meanings of texts, rather than on fundamental historical questions such as whether there was a man Jesus. At UNC he has served as both the Director of Graduate Studies and the Chair of the Department of Religious Studies. The fact is, humans tend to shape and sort their real-life experiences into mythical templates (we do this today; we just mainly don’t know we’re doing it). I recently listened to a debate held earlier this year, between Michael Licona and Bart Ehrman, on the subject of Jesus' resurrection.Much of what I said in a previous post about the 2006 debate between William Craig and Bart Ehrman is applicable to this more recent debate. Bart, thank you for sharing this. A Blog Fundraiser. All comments will be moderated by the post author before release. And thankfully I have that option by subscribing to the blog!! And I’m kind-a thinking that I’ve already debated one mythicist, and probably that’s enough. I watched some of this yesterday, “paused” it, and hoped I could pick it up at the point I’d reached when I had time to watch more. And there is nothing in the Zoroastrian story that resembles the gospel narrative in any but the most superficial symbolic way. Drat! “Ehrman even admitted in this debate that some historical persons are invented in the Gospels (e.g. So Ehrman does not appear to have any coherent method for deciding who does or doesn’t exist.”, “Ehrman did not say this as explicitly in the debate as he has in print. In 1 Cor 9:5 Paul identifies some rank and file members as “brothers of the Lord” to differentiate them from apostles, just like he does in Gal 1:19. (here’s Midwestern’s report of the debate) Jim Elliff, a man I knew from my days as a Reformed Baptist, thinks debating Bart Ehrman is a bad idea: Paul does not call Christians in his greeting as “brothers of the Lord”. Midwestern is a Southern Baptist institution. Price is seeking it his own way, I suppose. So, what follows is Christ talking…about Christ. Subscribers receive full access to the archives. Why did Bart Ehrman really leave Christianity? And Sheffield (like you) has a massive ego that he's assuaging so now he can go to other folks and say, "But I debate Bart Ehrman," as if this makes him the next James White or Dan Wallace. His main point was that the differences didn't matter. It lays out the mythical beliefs Paul proclaimed clearly. Bart Ehrman posted the debate audio on YouTube: Details: Bart Ehrman is the US author of the bestselling book “Misquoting Jesus” (In the UK “Whose word is it?”). His argument is not with theism–nobody can ‘win’ the argument over whether or not there’s a God. I listened to a debate between Bart Ehrman and Mike Licona where Ehrman cited what he considered to be Bible contradictions and in several cases, Licona seemed to agree with him. Answer–he wouldn’t have needed or sought baptism–unless he never had any such idea of himself. He seems like a nice person but whoa! Who is probably better documented than most religious leaders in ancient history.”. White didn't disagree with him on the facts. Three of the four verses listed are in Galatas. Yes, people who study Jesus with the express intent of proving he’s God are missing the point, but many scholars who are personally religious don’t do that, they ask real questions, genuinely contribute to their fields, expand the boundaries of our knowledge. Paul wrote about the event of Christ’s death, burial and resurrection, only disclosed to him by a vision from the heavenly Christ. But ‘winning’ would be coming up with a better explanation, and Carrier can’t do that, and neither can Price. Watching this debate is the reason I was pointed out of the direction of mythicism. Remember, he received his Gospel from no man, but only from Christ himself. Paul didn’t say he met with brothers Peter and James, but distinguished James as the brother of jesus. God already had a son (Jesus), so that Paul and his church followers would become “brothers of the Lord”. Is there any weight to his argument, if not why not? I finally watched the debate this morning. 1. The really interesting part is that someone took Paul’s myth and made it into a story about an actual person. I didn’t mean to make fun of him, it was just an immediate reaction… But we got along fine afterward. I noticed Price shut down after you mocked his belief that Paul didn’t write Galatians. Much more collegial than the knife fight some people would have apparently preferred. My favorite book by him was The Incredible Shrinking Son of Man. Scholarship that only admits to one possible answer isn’t scholarship. Given how unusual Jesus’ life had been, it’s possible what happened to his body after his crucifixion was also unconventional (though not supernatural), and that this helped create the legends that came to surround his passing. In John, for example, Jesus makes divine claims like: “Before Abraham was, I Am” (John 8:58) “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30) Jesus spoke with Pilate privately in the “What is truth” exchange at his trial. In Galatians, Paul identifies James as the Brother in the first chapter, it is not necessary to repeat his qualification in the same letter. “Jesus. From my understanding Dr. Price suggests that if Jesus was a real person who he was is so wrapped up in the myth and the legend surrounding him that who he was has been lost. I’m not sure where to send you. If there were no witnesses, how do we know what was said even if we knew what languages were spoken? I think my assessment of Price was too harsh before; although, I believe he was a bit pouty. I’ve just read one book of hers (The great angel book), and don’t remember it well enough offhand to give a sustained critique. Rom 8:14, 8:23 and 8:29. To my knowledge Robert is the only “mythicist” (one who thinks Jesus is a complete myth) who actually has a PhD in the relevant field of New Testament studies. Of course, I believe you are mistaken. It is curious that he took on your issue regarding the archaeological evidence of the existence of the town of Nazareth as his first order of business, but added absolutely nothing to the discussion of it that already occurs in the book. You are on the same side as them. Maybe Calvin Roetzel, The Letters of Paul? If there was no Jesus of Nazareth, then Christianity as a theological system will be wholly undone. 2. But those who confront him should not be afraid to push back with reason and common sense. He’s just trying to destroy the very field of study he makes his living in. I really don’t think he said that. And every dime you pay (less than five a week) goes to help the needy. Still, some It made me think that Price may have got some of his ideas from him. So did Buddha. The opening salvo this year comes courtesy of the indefatigable Bart Ehrman. The answer you provided in yesterday’s Post on the physical interactions with the risen Jesus is a good example. I especially appreciated your responses to the questions about Bayes theorem and the historicity of Paul. I dissected his previous debate with the prominent Christian philosopher William Lane Craig and thought through how to respond if Ehrman were to make the same points and rebuttals. Dr. Bart Ehrman’s works could rattle the faith of naïve Christians. Matt Dillahunty was the debate mediator. Received from who? Some issues are central, while others are barely peripheral. It’s a complicated word. Do you think there were Christian proto-mythicists in the 1st century who believed whatever the apostles witnessed 6 or 7 decades earlier was some sort of reenactment of events that had taken place in eternity past? You can go to conservative websites and see people saying this or that denier of evolution or global warming totally confuted and defeated the mainstream scholars he debated with at this or that event. CTWeekly delivers the best content from ChristianityToday.com to your inbox each week. – Discussion of debate by Matt Dillahunty, Dr. Richard Carrier, David Fitzgerald and Kristyn Whitaker Hood join hosts Sean Fracek and Jason Lawson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGBouQbYpqM No such luck. But even if it were, you don’t establish whether a text is original based on quotations of church fathers; they simply quoted whatever was relevant to what they were talking about. Roberts knew about my apologetics work and had asked me if I might be interested in doing a public debate. Thanks for posting Dr. Bart. Question 2: Dr. Price mentioned two places (one in Revelation, I forget where the other comes from – Hebrews, maybe?) Thanks for sharing this debate Bart. But they’re only trying to disprove Jesus. Log in to continue reading. It was February 2008. But he’d be downright flabbergasted to know people like you are trying to twist his words to mean Jesus was just some kind of thought experiment he dreamed up. At one point in the debate, Ehrman brings up a hypothetical scenario in which an investigator 2,000 years from now comes upon a story about two men, Bart Ehrman and Peter Williams, who travel through London to a debate that never happens. He framed this point such that he clearly intended the audience to believe those two facts entail that these features derive from (a) multiple (b) eyewitness sources.”. Saying historians shouldn’t debate holocaust deniers just lets the belief grow when they get someone gifted in rhetoric to espouse such beliefs. And the subsequent accounts of Jesus’ baptism in Matthew, Luke, and John all indicate a growing desire to either explain this event away, or ignore it. In 2 Peter 1.16, 17 he is not trying to defend that there was a human Jesus, which was quite obvious, but to defend the miraculous things that happened. Already a CT subscriber? If he does know Aramaic, he gives no clear indication of it. I thought that was over the top until I read about an even bigger conspiracy theorist than him–Robert Eisenman. Sign Up For Our Newsletter He is the James A. Engaging Discussions about Early Christianity. Don”t suppose there is any chance of your debating Earl Doherty next is there? He came to UNC in 1988, after four years of teaching at Rutgers University. On April 4, 2014 I debated Dr. Bart Ehrman on the campus of the University of North Alabama in Florence, Alabama. You’ll never convert the diehards but I thought you made the case for historicity succintly and well. We’re all looking for the same truths in fiction. But Bart, if Mythicism is not credible and it is so obviously wrong, why is it that even great scholars of Christianity can’t demonstrate its falsehood? I recently finished watching this couple of years old debate between you and Dr. Price. At the time it seemed improbable. Comments posted must be limited to 200 words or less. Additionally, he already had several public debates under his belt. It is the tradition found in Matthew, Mark, and John and it is the tradition given us by an actual eyewitness, Paul.”. “Why do you call me good? So unless he appeared as a dead corpse, then I should think he means that he appeared alive, again, afterward. I’ve always wondered about that. 4.25 stars: There is a lot detail packed into this epic debate. I recently listened to a debate held earlier this year, between Michael Licona and Bart Ehrman, on the subject of Jesus' resurrection.Much of what I said in a previous post about the 2006 debate between William Craig and Bart Ehrman is applicable to this more recent debate. Believers/proponents of an historical Jesus need the Jesus’ “brother” argument. To unlock this article for your friends, use any of the social share buttons on our site, or simply copy the link below. Maybe someone has. Image Source: Cohen Photographic Art / Jonathan Mann. Well, he explicitly says Jesus first died and “then” he appeared. This question is not directly related to the Mythicist issue, but let us suppose that Jesus did exist, then my question relates to the languages they spoke at that time. Since April 2012, this blog has raised over. He actually made a good argument for that position, but I still disagree with it. He keeps honing in on small niggling points and might-have-beens, trying as best as he can to distract people from the fact that his client is guilty–of being a really bad argument based on little more than wishful thinking. I am not familiar with her work but looking on Amazon her writings seems to concern Second Temple Judaism and builds on Alan Segal’s “Two Powers” idea. I have watched many hours of his interviews and am quite surprised that he never really fully discounts Jesus’ existence. But, only in Gal 1:19 is he a “brother of the Lord”. That’s why you can find any number of stories around the world that resemble the gospel story in one way or another. There’s still a lot of other questions to answer about him, but Carrier, having decided there was no Jesus, never addresses any of these. I’m not a mythicist, but I think there are more and less intelligent ways to argue mythicism. Glad to join here. If Pilate spoke Latin and Jesus spoke Aramaic, how could they talk with each other? (here’s Midwestern’s report of the debate) Jim Elliff, a man I knew from my days as a Reformed Baptist, thinks debating Bart Ehrman is a bad idea: Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He wants to avoid facing that by calling it uncivil to prove he lied and made mistakes. He currently serves as the president of the Atheist Community of Austin and hosts the internet radio show “Non-Prophets Radio” and the Austin television cable access show “The Atheist Experience”. Thanks agin Dr. For example, Mark 5:41 He took her by the hand and said to her, “Talitha koum!” (which means “Little girl, I say to you, get up!”). They choose very clever counterpoints that superficially appear *correct* and do so under the guise of scholarship. William Lane Craig speaks at Gracepoint Berkeley Church on The Work of Bart Ehrman. What he thought Jesus was before and after his mortal life is another matter. But down inside, we’re all the same flawed fallible frightened creatures, seeking transcendence over our tiny limited lives. But we can’t be sure, and we shouldn’t pretend to be sure. This is the debate. Is there a book that goes into details of this argument.? 2. I don’t think I know him. Ehrman was talking about the facts of what we know. It won’t cost you much and you’ll get tons for your money. You are referencing other verses within 1 Cor 15. The Dark Side of the Bart Ehrman-Robert Price Debate. Hence, those who debate Christians frequently appeal to Ehrman's works. William Lane Craig speaks at Gracepoint Berkeley Church on The Work of Bart Ehrman. Not always in a very civilized fashion, that we can say for sure. -Where does Paul make it clear that Jesus was a living breathing human? Did you assume Crossan (whose view you reference in both books) hadn’t done his homework? Was Jesus Born in Bethlehem? Schedule recurring donations to Bart's foundation using the form below. Licona did say that scholars have offered some solutions, yet he… I practiced managing the time for giving each answer so I wouldn’t have to rush. Please ask only one question per comment posted. The only Jesus Christ that Paul knows is the one he’d seen in visions and somehow read about in scripture – as did everyone else who Paul writes about. Revelation 13:8; comparing translations and reading the annotation in the Jewish Annotated NT (Levine et al) I see it is ambiguous whether the Lamb was slaughtered from the creation of the world or the elect were elected from creation. Yeah, Price speaks more slowly in a rather monotone voice, so it’s more about listening carefully to his point. 4.25 stars: There is a lot detail packed into this epic debate. We know that very similar stories have been told by widely separated people who had no contact with each other at all. Joseph of Arimathea). I am glad that it turned out to be a good experience for you. Each blog member is allowed to make 2 comments a day. Yes, the mythicists can be amazingly dogmatic. Want To See My New Book Manuscript? Jesus existed. If Paul meant it somehow figuratively, that doesn’t affect the historical argument. What makes you think some of them don’t believe what they’re saying? Ehrman repeats a lot of what he argued in the 2006 debate, even on issues where Craig had corrected him. It seems clear that Ehrman’s commentary is predicated on the thesis that these noncanonical texts were discriminated against in something of a patristic conspiracy. That’s why we can enjoy each other’s stories, and learn from them. Instead of forcing the Scripture through the rigid ideas of fundamentalist inerrancy Ehrman should have adopted a more nuanced position like the one codified in the Chicago statement. Log in for full digital access. There may be no explicit statement that Paul spoke Aramaic, but it seems to me there are implicit ones, such as Paul’s meetings with the Jerusalem church. This kind of immature ad hominem criticism is why Bart Ehrman won’t debate him. To share this article with your friends, use any of the social share buttons on our site, or simply copy the link below. I read in this the implication that Paul studied in the language of the tradition – Aramaic, and perhaps Hebrew (or perhaps not). Maybe Pilate actually did have a guilty conscience after speaking to Jesus, and sending a man he knew to be harmless to the cross. Wouldn’t everyone be? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPJh94tA14I, https://ehrmanblog.org/did-jesus-exist-my-debate-with-robert-price/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGBouQbYpqM, Responses to my Newsweek Article on Jesus, Love Your Neighbor as Yourself. Jesus is the core of Christianity. Twice! Paul’s myth had the heavenly Christ sacrificially killed by the “rulers of this age”; Satan and his demons in the firmament. I’m sure you don’t mean to say you’ve realized it really was improbable that Jesus’s body “was simply left hanging on the cross”! If this sounds weird and different – you’re right! No he doesn’t mumble he just (as Dr. Ehrman said) never repeats himself. Joseph of Arimathea is in multiple Gospels, that therefore he must have existed. It’s not likely, and I tend to think Crossan was right. Why particularly Galatians ? The debate was a really great experience to watch. April 5, 2014. What really bothers me are those who know Jesus was a real person but promote the mythicist view anyway. He also teaches eight of The Great Courses’s widely acclaimed Bible and Christianity classes, and has a part in 78 others. I’m just now seeing the reply to my comment. Three women have come forward with additional allegations against the late Christian apologist. So, here’s my question, why in your 1999 book did you say that “it seems improbable that Jesus’ corpse was simply left hanging on the cross” when (as you acknowledge in your 2014 book) you hadn’t done “any real research on the matter” (157)? Dr. Ehrman stated affirmatively that he had read “Bart Ehrman and the Quest of the Historical Jesus of Nazareth”. before the foundation of the world. And every dime you pay (less than five a week) goes to help the needy. All they’re doing is distracting people from the more important job of better understanding our past. Bart Ehrman is well known as a US New Testament Scholar who lost his Christian faith and now questions many core precepts of Christianity, including the Resurrection of Jesus. Some of it seems to be innate to all humans. Bart D. Ehrman is the James A. Bart argued that the Jesus presented in the Gospel of John is radically different than the Jesus presented in the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke). My questions is- is this all a good case at all for interpolation, or just pure speculation? I have massive respect for Robert Price. Please post respectful comments even when you have strong opinions. No, haven’t read it. So did Zoroaster. I thoroughly enjoyed Dr. Price’s books “The Reason Driven Life” and “Killing History” but after watching this debate I have to ask if you ever felt embarrassed for him? Actually it’s the mythicists that need the brother argument. Rom 8:14, 8:23 and 8:29. (Life of Jesus, Critically Examined, p. 89)”. No one can doubt that. You can’t simply claim a verse is interpolated because it says something contrary to what you think! Not because the authors of the gospels were copying off somebody else’s paper. Ehrman is a formidable debate opponent for many reasons, not least the aggressive rudeness that causes him to interrupt Williams not once but three times during Williams’ designated time for closing remarks. I will agree that it is mostly pointless because the silly idea of an historical Jesus is firmly entrenched and the basis of the largest world religion. And no, don’t know the book yet! Subscribers have full digital access. If Aramaic was the language of the disciples, then Paul must have spoken that language also, as well as Latin when he stayed in Rome, and so on. In HJBG, you concede that “what normally happened to a criminal’s body is that it was left to decompose and serve as food for scavenging animals” (157). In contrast, I was still a year away from completing my PhD and knew far less about the New Testament and early Christianity. Stylistic flourishes could, I suppose, have some from some other tradition. We know there are as many differences in the manuscripts as there are words in the New Testament texts. Click Here for all Posts in a List Format. Dr. Bart Ehrman’s works could rattle the faith of naïve Christians. Crazy. Like I said here the moment I watched your debate with Price back then, you performed fantastically well and you won the debate on virtually every point that was brought up. I just ordered my 8th book authored by Bart and consider myself one of his students….His New Testament textbook is one of my favorites. My Article on Christmas in Newsweek: Part 2, Christmas from a Historical Point of View. For those who don't know, Ehrman is something of a celebrity sceptic in the United States. Jesus mythicists are those who deny that there ever was a historical figure, Jesus of Nazareth. The whole debate will therefore turn upon Dr. Ehrman's response to my second contention, namely: (II) The best explanation of these facts is that Jesus rose from the dead. In their view it is their major trump card against Mythicism. “James was no biological brother of Jesus” sounds very dogmatic, almost close-minded. Dr. Ehrman, in The Deliverance of God: An Apocalyptic Rereading of Justification in Paul, D. Campbell is showing after a very complex process that Rom 13 is actually not a paulin thought at all like Rom 1:18 to 4:1. If he did, he would have been too tough to … Jung’s ideas are taken more seriously in psychology than in some other areas of study, mainly because they can’t really be proven. Review of Bart Ehrman's Lost Christianities by R.A. Baker Probably due to an undercurrent of anti-Catholic sentiment in the United States that began with the Puritans and can still be found among American Protestant fundamentalists, there remains a dearth of knowledge and understanding of early Christianity. You stated: “Moreover, they did claim that they knew he rose precisely because some of them saw him alive again afterward. I appreciate your thoughts, but even the myth of Santa Claus has a historical kernel. I doubt if that’s true, actually. In 1 Co 15. Maybe I’m overthinking this word. It was because of what he was saying about Galatians. So if they talked, it would have had to be with a translator. I'd never debate Ehrman (whom I like), but not for the reasons you won't debate me (you'll notice the difference is I don't just disparage Bart left and right with insults). At first, James White’s academic credentials look impressive: B.A. In the meantime, he offers an excellent online course , based partly on Malcom Murray’s book The Atheist’s Primer. If I may stray off topic a bit… I’m reading “How Jesus Became God” and looking at the creed in Romans 1:3-4, you use the words “appointed Son of God…by his resurrection” in verse 4 and when I look at the NIV, NASB, KJV and the NKJV, they translate the words as “declared Son of God…by his resurrection”. Price could never answer the question “Why would Jews preserve the story (which the non-Jewish Mark then reported more or less faithfully) that the divine Son of God, conceived without sin, needed to be baptized by John–who baptized for the forgiveness of sin?”. If you don’t belong to the blog yet, JOIN!!! I read everything Ehrman had written on the topic and formulated answers to his various assertions. So even if somebody could come up with a reasonable argument that a gospel story was influenced by some earlier religious myth, that wouldn’t prove there isn’t also a basis in real-life events. Christianity Today strengthens the church by richly communicating the breadth of the true, good, and beautiful gospel. Instead of forcing the Scripture through the rigid ideas of fundamentalist inerrancy Ehrman should have adopted a more nuanced position like the one codified in the Chicago statement. I’ve been blessed by my friendships with debate opponents, despite strong disagreements. Paul, Cephas, James and the others would have been astounded to learn what had happened to their celestial Jesus a generation later. That’s what I thought, just wanted to confer with the foremost text critic in the world! 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